Lucille Ball Discusses Divorce from Desi Arnaz and Beginnings of I Enjoy Lucy
They are probably together now
R.I.P desi and lucille
@defundthewar , apparently I typed that last comment when I was tired. It should have read: “I did not say the Spanish “s” is pronounced the same way everywhere; I simply said it was never pronounced like an “z” ANYWHERE. Your suggestion was that in some regions the “s” might have a “z” sound. I said that’s not true and I stand by that: it’s not true.” That’s consistent with what I was saying previously. Desi Arnaz is pronounced Dessi Arrr-nahs.
@defundthewar , no, this is not dialect or region thing. In no region in either continental Spanish or Latin American Spanish is there a z sound. The “z” sound is a vocalized “s.” In Spanish, the there is no vocalization of the “s” in any word; thus, there is no “z” sound in Spanish, anywhere. Period.
@cestlaverite I didn’t say it’s the same z sound as in English. But- maybe it’s a dialect/regional thing- s and z, at least to me, are close but not identical. In any event, I’ve heard Desi’s name mangled for decades, generally “Dezzi Arnez” and in fact, on the end credits of at least one I Love Lucy show, I saw, “Wilbur Hatch Conducting the Desi Arnez Orchestra.”
@defundthewar , no, Spanish does NOT have a “z” sound. They have the letter z, but it’s NEVER pronounced like we pronounce a z in English. The “z” in La Paz, Azul and Venezuela is pronounced in Spanish like the letter s.
they were a great couple as married people and on movies .. R.I.P to of them ..
we miss them.
@defundthewar True, there is no right or wrong when subject concerns the arts. However, I find that most people give more “credibility” to a certain types of actors and acting styles (and it usually involves drama). For instance, the Oscars usually honor and give more attention to dramatic pieces and dramatic actors. Usually a comedic actor has to do something dramatic before they are taken “seriously” and considered to be “great actors” in the industry and by the public…. it’s unfortunate.
@ithl123 On matters of the arts, there is no right or wrong, as it is in the world of say, mathetmatics or science. And then even in science, there is opinion. For example, I am convinced there is climate change. Yet there are those- generally who cause climate change- who’ll say there is no climate change. That said, I appreciate Ball enormously for the hundreds of hours of entertainment she’s given me, far more than Russell, whom I find a better actress. I value both.
@defundthewar That however wouldn’t mean Rosalind wasn’t a fine actor…it’s just an opinion about a particular performance, more specifically who played a particular moment in a scene better…hence, it not being a good example of who a fine actor and who isn’t.
@defundthewar What you just described is subjective, depends entirely upon personal taste, and is not a very good example of who a fine actor is and who isn’t.
That’s comparing performances and giving your opinion about which you preferred. That is however not an example of a fine actor and one that is not.
For instance, I could turn it around and say I preferred how Lucy played that scene and that particular moment as oppose to Rosalind (and I have seen both adaption of the film).
A good example is this little scene from Auntie Mame and Mame. The very pregnant Gooch says, “I wish I had somebody to look after.” Roz Russell, who WAS a fine actress said casually, as Mame, “You will.” Lucille Ball wails loudly, “You will!” as Lucy. It’s seems like just a little thing, but it’s telling. Russell could THINK like Mame, Lucy could not. Speaking of Roz, she was outrageously funny in some of her films, but this didn’t cost her respect. Meryl Streep’s also adept at both.
@defundthewar I also find that whenever critics want to “gauge” Lucy’s abilities as an actor they refer to the dramatic roles she did pre -”Lucy” or the few dramatic pieces she did after ILL. Which confirms what I said, that the industry and people in general consider drama to be the more “credible” form of acting. Which is completely backwards. A gifted comedic actor is usually an adept dramatic actor (which Lucy was). They same usually isn’t the case for those that mostly perform in drama.
@defundthewar Actually, yes it is… because Lucy wasn’t just a “comedian”. She was an actress that performed comedy. Which are two entirely different things. I find that in the entertainment industry and also in the general public, actors that perform comedy mostly aren’t considered as “credible” as actors that perform mostly in dramatic pieces. As I hinted at earlier, drama is actually the easiest of the two art forms. Most actors will tell you this without hesitation.
@ithl123 There’s no disputing the old saying, “Dying is easy; comedy is hard.” And there’s no denying Lucy was a superb comedy technician, totally skilled, and could pull things off no one else could. But that’s not exactly the same thing as being a fine actress.
@cestlaverite Of course Spanish has a z sound. La Paz. Azul. Venezuela. But it’s true most Anglos made hash out of Desi’s name.
@defundthewar Lucy was a fine actress. As they say, comedy is serious business. Performing comedy and making it look effortless as Lucy, or the other greats, requires a tremendous talent. Most “brilliant” dramatic actors have trouble with comedy because it’s that difficult to execute.
who was sitting next to her was it Desi
@jozylyn , Irv Kupcinet
who is the host?
@misswings83 awwww, i love getting the behind-the-scenes info. i hope they both came to know just how much they still meant to each other.
@mkrobinson95 It is the sort of sing-talking or talk-singing that Marlene Dietrich and some others did. It used to be called “diseur” (male) or “diseuse” (female) style, sort of talking on key. (You could say Yul Brynner and Rex Harrison were exponents of that also.) Yes, I think it’s really Lucille Ball performing the audio for the Jitterbug number, not a dub. But in numbers in her films that called for real singing, that was another matter.
@defundthewar – yes, civility at all costs : ) Speaking of Lucy’s singing voice being dubbed … while at RKO she did a picture called “Dance, Girl, Dance” where she does a number called “The Jitterbug Bite” (it’s on youtube). Do you think she’s dubbed here? It’s sort of a nothing song, not requiring a good singing voice. It sounds like it *could* be her … so if it’s a dub, they picked a good voice to match what hers would presumably sound like. imdb.com doesn’t say anything about it.
At least we are keeping it civil! No, I don’t believe Lucille as a lovely singer & she was accurate at least once when she said she couldn’t sing, dance, or act, so she HAD to be a star. She was not a fine actress, but the best at what she did, 50′s screwball ensemble comedy. Watch her in “Mame.” It’s true she was old & injured, but still… it shows she improved little from experience. Non-singers at MGM were often coached to sing, but Lucy always dubbed… hopeless. But we loved her.